But, more importantly, the future is changed at the end of this book. Posted by: This would have been the source of Mastermind's grudge against Mystique. Jonathan, son of Kevin | 1 - I have this as the 1989 reprint which Marvel did rather than reprint it in Classic X-Men (ironically, Classic X-Men changed names right at the point, just as X-Men became Uncanny X-Men at this same point). In addition to what has already been mentioned, Uncanny X-Men 119 seems like a pretty clear win over Moses Magnum (maybe not worth bragging about), 128 the win over Proteus seems pretty clear cut with Proteus staying "dead" for a decade or more, 216 felt like a decisive victory for Storm and Wolverine over the old warriors/soldiers - unfortunately they ended up joining Freedom Force, and 240-241 seemed like a rout of the Marauders (of course inferno comes up and then kind of obscures that win). Tabe8 | Jonathan, son of Kevin | This arc, Days of Future Past, introduces the concept of a dystopian future awaiting mutants. And rounding out the group is the Blob, presumably to give some cred to the Brotherhood name, although the Blob was only tangentially a member of the original team. Otherwise that means the Sentinels have to fight Phoenix as well as the Hulk, the FF, Dr. In terms of Claremont's arcs, I wonder if Mystique's choice to target Kelly was intended to play into the intended Brotherhood/Hellfire conflict. November 1, 2016 7:58 PM. @ChrisW: What was even more obvious was that Claremont's intended battle with Xavier and Magneto against the Shadow King around #300 would not only have Charles killed, but would leave Magneto in a wheelchair as a hint history was running toward this timeline again. Kate Pryde a mutant slave, is out on what is supposed to be a medical run, when she is attacked by the Rogue Pack, human scavengers who hate mutants. What are the arms being sold? Just do your best to stay on-topic and enjoy the conversation. Nimrod was certainly programmed to fight criminals, the other Sentinels would have been programmed in similar ways, recognizing escapees from the internment center, recognizing the classifications of 'mutant,' 'human' and 'likely to breed a mutant,' etc. And excuse me if it's been explored at some point over the years, my Marvel knowledge is better than a layman, but nought compared to regular commenters on here, I mostly know the major story arcs, smatterings here and there, and very little of non-616 Marvel; hence reading through this chronology project as I attempt to actually build a collection worth the title. Chris Z | Walter Lawson | :), Posted by: All that happened is Kate made things better for an alternate universe, but she would have returned to a world with even more dead friends, at which point I think she quickly shouts the "Dark Phoenix" phrase that sends Rachel (+ followed by Nimrod) back to the past, even if they don't show up till 40 issues later. Or the Wizard. Gary Himes | Even in their most overpowered presentation (like the extremely powerful Sentinels in the DoFP film) how are they surviving a concerted effort from what would surely be ubiquitous resistance superpowered folk? Max_Spider | ), Posted by: Don't know exactly how long it took them to kill everyone and take control of the US? November 17, 2017 12:54 AM. Obviously Kelly is not an exact analogue of Ted, simply someone that assumed several characteristics. @D09: Minority, perhaps, but you speak my mind exactly. July 31, 2016 8:57 PM. Still, it'd been a long developing plot angle, since Franklin's birth in FF Annual #6 (1968), that Sue's and Reed's son was almost sure to develop powerful and strange cosmic-ray stimulated powers, which would probably be even more powerful than those of his parents, because Annihilus' cosmic control rod had been used to control the cosmic radiation in Susan's blood at the time of his birth. 3 - There is a lot of talk about the gradual redemption of Magneto beginning in #150, but in a sense, it really starts here with his partnership with the X-Men (and his willingness to sacrifice himself). September 5, 2015 5:45 PM. ChrisW | She also tells them that the surviving X-Men in the future were also planning on shutting down the Sentinel's operation in North America in order to avoid nuclear war in case she failed her mission in the past... Back in the year 2013: Rachel, Franklin and Peter manage to escape from their concentration camp thanks to Magneto sacrificing his life so that they can escape. Thanks to the efforts of the group in the future, right after Kitty passes her first Danger Room test - which simply requires her to walk across the room phased... ...letting all the death traps pass right through her - Kitty's body is taken over by the older Kate, and she warns the X-Men that an assassination attempt today on Senator and presidential candidate Robert Kelly will set into motion the events that lead to Kate's future. I don't like the Hulk when he's angry. Luis Dantas | Good catch on Nimrod vs Juggernaut (I've never been convinced that those sonics should work on Juggernaut, but never mind). Chris Claremont is best known for his work on Marvel Comics' The Uncanny X-Men, during which time it was the bestselling comic in the Western Hemisphere; he has sold more than 100 million comic books to date. Kudos to Claremont for writing such ambiguous long-term stories and kudos to John Byrne for putting up with Claremont as long as he did. Future X-Men (First appearance) 2.1. When they rush her to the infirmary they scan her brain for a mental attack and find that her brain patterns have changed, having become more complex. July 15, 2018 7:28 PM, That's an interesting thought, It's Destiny's predictions that Ms Marvel will cause something bad for Rogue that lead to something bad happening to Rogue when she confronts Ms Marvel. I don't know how it fits into continuity, but as far as I'm concerned, if you put a bullet through Bruce Banner's brain, the Hulk dies too. July 31, 2016 5:25 AM. Sprite (Kitty Pryde) 1.7. ChrisW | MU’s events do play out much like Rachel’s timeline, at least up to 1989 or so, even though Kelly lives. As you mention, the portrayal of a grown-up Franklin (& Kitty), Wolverine actually dying & seeing the skeleton, etc all seemed incredible the first time you read it. Marvel Two In One 50 is a famous example of this rule. Not only does this arc feature what is surely the most-easily-killed Wolverine you'll ever see (presumably if Claremont & Byrne had stayed just 2 or 3 panels longer in 2013, we'd have seen Wolverine now completely healed after being reduced to an adamantium skeleton, telling the readers it was just a flesh wound), but I think it's also the only version of adult Franklin who isn't so incredibly powerful that he could sort out this whole thing by himself. In later appearances she has normal coloured skin. Posted by: That can't have been the most expensive arms deal. Jonathan, son of Kevin | Jonathan, son of Kevin | So Claremont clearly intended her to be a late teenager. It could've been a good opportunity to expand the background of the characters introduced in #141 and illustrate a few major events...sadly none of that happens. Your Hosts Gary Butterfield Jeremy Greer Episodes All Seasons Season 1 Season 2. ;-), Posted by: Neither Magneto nor any X-Man should have been allowed to live in the camps. Posted by: Holt | Off the top of my head, Uncanny #150 seems a clear win (Magneto’s plan foiled, & his first steps to reformation), #152 seems a win (Hellfire Club beaten fairly easily), #167 a clear win (Brood beaten & Xavier gets a new improved body), #175 a clear win (Mastermind beaten, Cyclops gets married which Claremont intended as happy ending, the fact that it didn’t stick is not down to Claremont), #203 a clear win (their last encounter with Beyonder). The new team beating the Juggernaut, yes, other than standard Marvel whining. But to me, for sheer uncanniness, none of them beats that first future Franklin. Claremont and Byrne really blundered when they showed Wolverine losing the initiative to a sentinel in issue 142. Solid story by Chris Claremont and great art by John Byrne. 1. A very powerful Franklin Richards arrives from the future, finds that things with his family are not as he remembers them and, much to the current Fantastic Four's chagrin, he "fixes" them. Ubersicht | Franklin was 4 1/2 at the time of the Dark Phoenix Saga, so Rachel must have been conceived very shortly after. July 31, 2016 3:00 AM. X-Men: Apocalypse 10. Later at the United States Senate, the hearing over mutants is in full order and Senator Kelly is questioning Moira MacTaggert when the X-Men arrive in their civilian guises. I tracked an earlier mention in Uncanny X-Men #116. X-Men Saga: Days Of Future Past (Comic) [Español] [Mega] Days of Future Past: Es uno de los arcos argumentales más populares de los X-Men. As for the the aged X-Men, the Sentinels are the number one enemies they train against. That was so positive I'm surprised none of the heroes suggested the option of just leaving things as they were. Realizing the inexperienced X-Man is in the room, the other X-Men break their concentration to save Kitty from harm before Nightcrawler can teleport to the emergency shut-off switch. ["It was a spring morning and I was on my way to Professor Ramsey's class. Glad they made the movie also. September 9, 2016 10:02 PM. Cyclops became the de-facto leader after issue #150. Garuda | Wasn't Claremont's original plan for an arms deal between Mystique and Hellfire to go wrong because of the Ms. Marvel conflict Mystique dragged into it, precipitating the conflict? August 26, 2013 10:00 PM. Omar Karindu | ChrisW | September 9, 2016 9:28 PM. Not here. What happened in the unpublished Ms Marvel story as Claremont planned it (not as Simon Furman later executed it) might have added to the vendetta—although it need not, since Mystique seems to abandon the vendetta after Rogue joins the X-Men, at which time Mystique wants to get Rogue back but is willing to kill her herself if necessary. Against Mojo in Annual #10? Posted by: Does it state anywhere how long the Sentinels reign is? Jay Demetrick | The robots were meant to protect humanity, however, they would soon enslave the entire United States. It is also Assemble! fnord12 | Put those claws away." Oh that would be a great fight! If the X-Men are unable to establish a proper balance between mutant/human relations and fighting for mutant rights, this dystopia awaits them. Deadpool 9. It shows mutants as an oppressed, imprisoned minority living in concentration camps and forced to wear an M on their clothing to indicate their mutant-hood when they go into public. And of course the dystopian future introduced here has a lot of significance and adds strength to the mutant rights themes in this book (even if it will be overused in the future). Good story though. I think it's fair to say that Claremont intended for it to be the same timeline, though he may have made some continuity errors. ), He then concludes: "So the whole adventure did create an alternate timeline, which Chris and ^^***** have mined ad nauseum ever since. The villain's were almost incidental. Never mind the questionable decision to let a guy who can remold the very material Sentinels are made of live, he's been an active criminal for a long time. So their actions would have made things worse. ChrisW | Carrying Kate's unconscious body, they meet up with Wolverine who leads them through the sewers in the hopes of reaching the Baxter Building, where the Sentinels have set up their primary operations since taking over America. November 9, 2017 5:20 PM. November 1, 2016 6:07 AM. X-Men: The Last Stand 4. Nightcrawler (Kurt Wagner) 1.3. The date is October 30, 1980, and the X-Men are in yet another training session in the Danger Room. Or the Morlocks, the Mole Man, HYDRA, or anybody else. Posted by: Thanks for asking a great question. Their newest member Sprite walks in, unaware that the session is in full swing. I'm not sure there's any "good" placing for the discussion after the battle has already started, it probably needed to happen on the way before they got there, it's not as if Storm couldn't have guessed there would be cameras. As previously discussed, Byrne has also talked about how he intended the dystopian future to vanish at the end of the story and that Claremont’s script prevents a clear win: “Even when I plotted DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and made sure it was an absolute, unequivocal, We Save The Day story for the X- Men, he managed to slip in a tiny scene that took the win away from them.” However, Byrne did also draw the epilogue featuring Gyrich & Kelly authorising the creation of Sentinels, which in itself denies the unequivocal win, I’m not sure what else he could have thought he was drawing there. I read it in real time, and was not very conversant in Marvel lore back then, but I recall my sense of wonder at the revelation that a grown Franklin was the sole survivor of the FF. in X-Men: Days of Future Present (Marvel, 1991 series) (May 1991) in X-Men: Days of Future Past … Posted by: I noticed a similar moment to the one you mentioned during the whole Brood saga, except he actually apologized to Cyclops. You don't have to think too hard to come up with a real-life equivalent to that, & I think it would be fairly controversial for Marvel to depict a real-life President authorising that. "Storm is now team leader, and she worries in general that she's not the leader that Cyclops was." Posted by: A story in which, when the dust settled, there was no doubt that they had accomplished what they set out to do. Posted by: I have a perfectly good scan of Wolverine laughing right here. Yes, the montage of kill-shots includes a lot of non-mutant superheroes. Posted by: PDF's Related to Civil War: A Marvel Comics Event; X-Men: Days of Future Past by Chris Claremont: Astonishing X-Men, Volume 1: Gifted by Joss Whedon: Astonishing X-Men, Volume 3: Torn by Joss Whedon: Captain Marvel, Volume 1: In Pursuit of Flight by Kelly Sue DeConnick: Marvel Masterworks: The Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1 TPB by Stan Lee Posted by: Not sure exactly when Franklin first was portrayed as godlike, I have dim memories of his power being a plot point in the Conway FF (& that Annihilus tried to use his powers somehow) but I feel like Byrne's FF, with the old Franklin in #245 able to transform both his own body & the Thing's, & then later the young Franklin destroying Mephisto, were when we started seeing real displays of what he could do. The dystopian timeline of Earth-811 plays a cameo role in Days of Future Past, but one of its residents would go on to become a refugee in the … It's possible the Sentinels used a similar weapon. She should worry about that. I guess Pyro has his flamethrowers, & Mystique uses a telepathic dampening field against Xavier here, maybe both of those are Hellfire tech? September 9, 2016 7:37 PM. My version of "Secret Wars" wouldn't even need to be "Days of Futures Past." Quality Rating: AHistorical Significance Rating: 7 - Days of Future Past. And Mojo would probably have de-aged Rachel and amplified her "assets" so she didn't look like a skinny concentration camp survivor. You mean from Uncanny X-Men Annual #4? ChrisW | It's not a clear win because Storm was so tormented by Claremont-angst during the fight leading to the final page, "You said we were better. November 12, 2016 7:30 PM. I don't have any issue with him turning at the last minute either, in individual circumstances like you suggest, might become a cop out if it was used too much in that manner. Days of Future Past - Part 1: Past Tense - Kindle edition by Stry, John Van. Posted by: None of the files shown here are hosted or transmitted by this server. X-Men: Days of Future Past 8. November 1, 2016 3:24 AM. @D09: In answer to your other comment, I'm sure House of M occurred to you seconds after you hit "Post". July 19, 2018 8:39 PM, Name: (Required & displayed)Email: (Required but not displayed)URL: (Not required). Contrast this to what happened to poor Captain Marvel when she took over the Avengers. Posted by: September 10, 2016 12:31 PM. Yeah, when the question first occurred to me it was specifically linked to Hulk, but frankly, everything you say is correct, I simply cannot see Dr. Doom being destroyed by Sentinels. Posted by: Probably was Excalibur then. ", Posted by: July 31, 2016 9:03 AM. ChrisW | Television 1 Alternate Reality Versions 2 Movies 3 Television 4 Days of Future Past Related 4.1 References fnord12 | Mystique tells Nightcrawler to ask Margarli Szardos, his demon step-mother, about their relationship.). Meanwhile, back in the present, at the Pentagon, Raven Darkhölme enters her private office and reverts back to her natural form -- that of Mystique, the mutant terrorist. Jonathan, son of Kevin | This was like post Escape from New York with the futuristic state of actions. Reprints. Jay | July 31, 2016 5:39 PM. Kelly is said to be a presidential candidate, which makes it seem a bit odd that he’s holding this controversial Senate hearing days before the election. October 25, 2013 12:53 PM. Was there any other tension between Wolverine and Storm after this issue? A little dated now but holds up very well. I am trying to think of a genuine example. There's no way that wasn't a conscious parallel with Xavier on Byrne and Claremont's part. I do like Johnathan's idea that he just loses interest after the FF have been killed. Anyhow the one thing I really want to know, is how on earth did the sentinels manage to kill, destroy, neutralize The Hulk, per the 'destroyed' heroes in the second slide? And that was from the Lee & Kirby days. Nathan Adler has a theory about it involving the Shadow King, but I doubt Claremont was actually thinking of that at the time.). In their private quarters, the last of the X-Men put together the last component of a device that will jam the power dampeners that prevent them from using their powers. Is it only later that we learn Destiny was predicting a dark future for mutants if Kelly lived, or am I misremembering? That's the plot of this arc, but the overall concept is more powerful, showing that the stakes the modern day X-Men are playing for are higher than we thought. Hey, fnord, I just left a long-winded post about Rachel Summers on another page, but I just realized: Shouldn't she NOT be tagged as appearing in these issues, since she only appears in the future? November 3, 2016 7:49 PM. August 26, 2013 6:09 PM. Heck, it might be her only real motive. Posted by: Posted by: Ariel (Kate Pryde) (First appearance) Supporting Characters: 1. And yeah, Ahab would have been better left a mystery, which was probably the original intent for him. I know the distinction if of little significance as far as this issue goes, because as far as the writers were concerned this was a less powerful Hulk, and thus not as unbelievable to them as it was to me for the Sentinels to take him out. Maybe start smaller with a Pan-Am flight to the Moon? Magneto's being developed as a solo villain and would overshadow Mystique, Mastermind was recently used in a very different capacity and is not only out of action but would also make Mystique redundant, the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and broadly reformed, and the Toad would make these guys look goofy. That moment when you realize Rachel Summers was probably the first comic book character to be conceived on-panel, and then you think of the problems she's caused for her friend and family and timeline, and then you realize her brother is Nathan Christopher Charles Summers. lol! Thanks for answering my question. Posted by: July 15, 2018 8:24 PM. Whatever gets you through the night. There were two timelines: the first was in 1973 and the second was 2023. WinterPhoenix, being off-topic isn't really a bad thing around here. Search your feelings; you know it to be true! I didn't get the feeling that was setting up their joining Freedom Force and it felt like a one and done battle at that time. Posted by: Or is it because it's an ability he physically gets endowed with in an event in a later comic? Posted by: Posted by: October 30, 2016 12:28 PM. She explains that she has come back in time to prevent the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants from murdering US Senator Robert Kelly, Professor Xavier, and Moira MacTaggert during a hearing on the potential dangers of mutants. RE: Hulk's healing factor - my knowledge is spotty as I admitted above, is it's non-existence at this point merely because no writer has thought to point it out as an extension of Hulk's abilities? Fotis Mint Magneto Bust - Xmen Days of future past VIEW IN BROWSER updated 15. The characters in 2023 were the same ones from the original trilogy, although they didn't look 23 years older. The other X-Men would simply be mutants and could be treated as such, but Magneto? Jonathan, son of Kevin | In this sequel to the critically acclaimed "Days of Future Past," Marvel's First Family and the Children of the Atom must team-up to stop a mutant killer from a future they hope never comes to past. July 16, 2018 4:47 AM, Byrne has said he plotted this storyline completely by himself, and I do believe he originated the idea, though there are signs that Claremont did at least have some discussions between the conception of the plot & Byrne actually drawing it, such as Claremont's reference in X-Men Companion to the placing of the Storm/Wolverine discussion: "The way it was structured in the plot is that the X-Men are in the hearing room, the fight begins, Wolverine lunges for Pyro with his claws extended, Storm whirls him away, grabs him in mid-air and says, "No killing. Maybe there was no Anderson in the MU. Posted by: Sadly, the MU version of Marty McFly would have returned to 1985 and found his Dad still a wimp. I'd like to think Odin would have gone wreaked great vengeance on the Sentinels should that have happened, but I guess Odin of the 60s and 70s is frequently a jackass who might just have washed his hands of Midgard for their ungratefulness, and banned the rest of his kingdom from venturing there again and getting revenge. Posted by: She is rescued by Wolverine, who is now part of the Canadian resistance against the Sentinels. July 18, 2018 8:22 AM. ChrisW | There were still complaints about the timeline, and then X-Men: Days of Future Past decided it wanted to shake things up and change the future so things could go in whatever direction the studio wanted. The remaining X-Men fight back, and despite their ages, manage to defeat all of the Sentinels facing them before continuing on their trek to the Fantastic Four's old headquarters. James Mangold talks "The Wolverine!" Andrew | lead sheet pdf X-Men comic book debuted in 1963.X-Men: First Class is a comic book series published by Marvel Comics starring ... Days of Future Past virtual reality experience. Posted by: You can add characters like Spider-Woman and Titania, it builds to a climax as Galactus simply destroys the Sentinels who are interfering with his machine, then Doom beats Galactus, then the Beyonder... Posted by: Professor Xavier, Wolverine, Magneto, Storm, Kitty Pryde, and her friends meet at a monastery in China and Xavier explains that the invincible Sentinels were created using the DNA of Mystique that was captured in 1973 when she tried to assassinate their creator Dr. Bolivar Trask. April 29, 2015 9:18 PM, I looked at that Ross Andru scan you linked to. So both times Destiny's powers of precognition basically help cause a bad future. Before and after this story, Claremont generally plays Mystique as a self-serving sociopath more interested in grudges and self-preservation than in political ideals, hence her lunatic grudge against Carol Danvers and the Brotherhood later "selling out" to become Freedom Force. In Excalibur 1, Dai describes Rachel as a teenager. X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. Jonathan, regarding Franklin Richards in Days of Future Past: Isn’t this the first time he’s shown as an adult? I used to have the trade paperback of this pair of issues, but can't recall if that last page was included or excised. They've already had Shaw & Kelly discussing Sentinels, so when Byrne is drawing Shaw & Kelly meeting up with an ominous Gyrich at the end of an issue where Kelly has survived an assassination attempt, I think it's clear that they would be discussing Sentinels again and it stops being an "absolute, unequivocal" win. 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