That 2-inch outer diameter Liberty Goliath spurred the idea of running a 2-inch outer diameter handguard and matching the two up as closely together as possible. Our hunting loads for the medium-sized game (Item 47A and Item 47B) will hammer deer, medium sized hogs and bear with aplomb. What are you thoughts on that caliber? ), Black Butterfly – My First Date with the .458 SOCOM Omen, 458 SOCOM: Part 1 – From Military Tech to My Personal Hunting Mini Cannon, How I Got Here, I’ve Shot The Future and Today It’s Closer Than You Think (Hopefully!) This combination will shoot 1” groups at 100yds reliably and utilizes one of the best low-light optics I have ever tried. This dedicated suppressed, 12-inch-barreled, thermal optic-equipped.458 SOCOM was built for hammering wild hogs here in Texas. While I intend to use The Pig Truth to test out a handful of different night vision optics, my current plan for personal use is to stick with a permanently-installed daytime optic plus a clip-on thermal. And the pricing, as long as you don’t go too far down the customization rabbit hole, is very good. $4k and still needs to be attached to an existing scope. I have been using the .458 SOCOM shooting Barnes 300gr TAC TX bullets almost exclusively for the past year and a half and I can state without reservation it is the ultimate hog medicine out of an AR platform carbine! That’s a .223 Remington next to its X-Caliber Barrels muzzle brake on the left, and their .458 SOCOM counterparts on the right. GIBBZ also originated the forward charging handle AR upper, which I’ve come to enjoy. This offers two unique ways to tune a direct impingement system, and I’m excited to do further testing with this. Lancers generally work with little of no feed lip modifications. Radical Firearms .458 SOCOM Big Bore rifle is the perfect solution for needing a lot of stopping power in a small package. Would you believe Mogadishu? So far my .458 SOCOM’s have accounted for over 100 hogs. This dedicated suppressed, 12-inch-barreled, thermal optic-equipped .458 SOCOM was built for hammering wild hogs here in Texas. And, of course, I was able to spec the precise length. Another new cartridge was introduced at the 1999 SHOT Show Anglo-American, a US “branch” of (former) Parker-Hale employees. The 458 SOCOM cartridge offers the practical ballistics of the legendary.45-70 in a modern AR platform rifle and is capable of firing 250 to 600 grain.458 caliber bullets in a lightweight, controllable package. Lovely way to live. .45/70 is a great … Made entirely of titanium, the 2-inch outer diameter, 10-inch long can weighs just 20 ounces. It is a work of art !! The 458 SOCOM is just getting started with 300-gr. Cutting in at an angle gives three-dimensional pop, which can be enhanced via Cerakoting service if desired. The 300gr. Lancer mags feed the heavy, fat .458 SOCOM slugs reliably. And through some piggies. That seems to be the shelf life of all products these days: 30 days or until you open the factory packaging, whichever comes first. Rent or borrow one if you can, or order one from Wilson Combat. They are very reliable with the sub 458 loads. This is the shorter CQB length; they also do a longer one. I saw this suppressor, designed specifically for .458 SOCOM, at SHOT Show 2017 (video of it here) and knew I had to have it. No question it’ll shrug off that .458 SOCOM recoil and some general rough treatment. Bowers VERS 458 Suppressor Field Tested, Black Butterfly Lands On Wild Hog Video (458 SOCOM in Florida! First hunt with the CMMG Anvil 458 socom, equiped it with the Bowers group Verse 458 from Silencer Shop and a Zeus Pro Thermal for this hunt. Wilson Combat Recon SR spec’d out and outfitted as below: 14.7” 1-22 twist barrel with permanently attached AccuTac flash hider, Handloads pushing the Barnes 300gr TAC TX to 1800 FPS MV. good price, great optics, plenty of eye relief. The .30 RAR and .308 work very reliably with good bullets if decent shot placement is achieved, but they still do not offer that extreme margin for error when Murphy shows up with his law! stupid. Checked out the link for that clip on thermal. This cartridge has become increasingly popular for hunting Deer, Moose, Black Bear and Wild Hogs. I am looking to purchase a rifle with several specifics in mind, I would love to have some input from you guys with more experience and knowledge than I have. I’m using their super fancy, heavy duty QBM swivel up front and a strap loop through my ACE M4 Socom stock at rear. Initial impressions are extremely high, but stay tuned for a full review after it has a couple hunts under its belt. It’s critical that bolts are made of high-grade steel, properly heat treated, stress relieved, and fully inspected. Unique ARs had me install my barrel and measure from the receiver to the barrel shoulder. Went hog hunting last week, shot one 70-80lb sow with one 300gr barnes ttsx loaded by black butterfly. X Spitzer and still function through the AR magazine, a rim rebated to 0.473” to allow easy retrofit to existing bolt actions AND leave more material on the AR bolt, and in .458 caliber to allow a wide range of bullet weights. That shouldn’t ever pose any sort of real world issue. Re: Optics suggestions for 458 SOCOM I'm running a Trijicon 1-4X24 AccuPoint with triangle post reticle on my .458 SOCOM AR. The .458 SOCOM moves out at 2528 fps in the 140 grain bullets, but slows down to 1798-1860 with 300 grain bullets. In the book (and in private discussions), members of TF Ranger and USSFOD-D comment on the apparent ineffectiveness of the 5.56mm ammunition in their engagement of the assailants, stating that often multiple shots were required to disable a target. Fortunately, to date we have not failed to recover a single hog shot with them. Didn’t clarify if it meant totally or not. These rounds were capable of using bolts of standard metallurgy, resolving the issue of bolt retrofit. Well, as long as it can start life from a 2-inch OD, round aluminum tube. Very nice build. Steinel Ammunition's 458 SOCOM line-up. Thus the .458 SOCOM was born, with a 40 mm long case to allow the use of the Barnes 300 gr. This gave the user a vast choice of commercially available bullets, ranging from 300 gr. Fred drops a cinnamon phase black bear right in it's tracks with his Rock River Arms .458 SOCOM. Offering four gas setting clicks available right through the ejection port, an S7 tool steel build, and a fantastic finish, the Bootleg Inc adjustable carrier looked like the best option. Your email address will not be published. The 458 SOCOM has become much more than a military tool, it’s now an amazing hunting platform for any North American Game. A case of the same diameter as the .50AE that would fill the AR-15 magazine completely seemed the choice. Up front, Magpul’s new bipod offers tilting and panning functionality along with rapid deployment and light weight. But the padded MS1 was the perfect choice, providing a super smooth, quick-adjust slider and nicely integrated padding for those long treks. Finally, stay tuned for hunting stories as The Pig Truth gets fielded over the next six months. These were sent to Tony at Tromix, along with some initial loads developed on QuickLoad. That’s a pretty cool looking rifle, yup yup. It’s a standard, 30-round AR15 magazine. Take a look at how we approached building the ultimate .458 SOCOM hog hunting rifle to get some ideas. I just noticed the two bullet diagram on the barrel. Fresh and out of the box for your sasquatch hunting needs! Solids and Tungsten Core RN. Rubber City checks those checks all around. These concerns and those of others were formalized in a briefing to the commander of Naval Special Warfare and later studies showed that indeed, from the shorter barreled .223-caliber weapons (e.g. In this article I’ll detail the components I chose for building semi-auto The Pig Truth. Enter the .458 SOCOM, THE HAMMER OF DEATH for hogs. But unless you are trapping the entire Sounders at a time, trapping doesn’t work at all, and they still come back no matter what. A Boar Hunt with the AR-15 in the 458 SoCom offers a fast action weapon that is excellent for Bear Mountain Boar. I recently had the opportunity to purchase a 700 Remington in the 375 hh mag cal. From mild to wild, off-the-shelf to custom artwork, they have you covered. – the Integrally Suppressed AR, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykTfyrMiXps, Remington at Gunsite! While they call it the “Bleed Off,” it actually provides two modes of operation: your standard adjustable gas block’s gas-limiting mode, and Superlative Arms’ unique bleed-off mode. And, unlike some other side-charging uppers, GIBBZ units function with any standard bolt carrier. The .499 L-W project was mentioned to see if it would be possible to “tack on” to their order, but Starline replied that the L-W team had yet to decide on case dimensions and that no order had been put into the system. Maybe we can interview you for a future story! As The Pig Truth is currently tuned, it will just cycle enough to run 350 grain subsonic ammo with the carrier in the “unsuppressed” setting. I normally hog hunt approximately 250 evenings a year. Ouch. A Magpul MS1 Padded Sling was chosen to lug The Pig Truth around. Animal Harvested: Boar Hog State the Harvest was Made: TX WC Firearm: Recon SR Caliber of Firearm: .458 SOCOM. Trapping is the least effective method. If you’re running this carrier on a suppressed setup, I would still recommend using an adjustable gas block to do what I did here; tune via the gas block for your weakest ammo with the carrier on “unsuppressed,” and only click the carrier into the suppressed settings to quickly and easily slow things down for full-power ammo. I've used Rock River Arms LAR-458 on Texas boar and have been very impressed with it. Mix beer, steak and analysis of Operation Gothic Serpent and you get the .458 SOCOM round! He just up and left. For me, this allows switching between subsonic and supersonic loads without abusing The Pig Truth. Had I realized this ahead of time, of course, Unique ARs could have done this cut in-house. The 300-grain (19 g) round offers a supersonic muzzle velocity of 1,900 ft/s (580 m/s) and 2,405 ft⋅lbf (3,261 J), similar to a light.45-70 but with a much smaller case. No doubt this is a cool looking rifle. There’s no dearth of.458 bullets up to 500 grains for reloading thanks to the 458’s faster twist rate but hard-copy data is a bit skimpy. Big ones! Unique ARs then custom-designed and cut the handguard to this exact measurement, and the result was dead-on perfect. Looking to pick up his second suppressor now and finished his first novel (a detective mystery kinda job, and it’s quite good!). Thus far it’s shooting great, too! The 500 Beowulf and the 450 Bush Master are also suitable for Boar Hunting. The use of the Hornady 45 caliber sabot with the 38 caliber 158 gr. I dont have a need for drops on the reticle since I dont use this rifle for shots past 200 yds. Read More Here’s the story of how the .458 SOCOM came to be, straight from Marty ter Weeme himself: The .458 SOCOM cartridge was developed around 2000 as a result of an informal discussion with a senior member of the US Special Operations community following the Operation “Gothic Serpent” debacle in Mogadishu, Somalia, described in the book “Blackhawk Down”. Anyways, many of us were surprised to find that what was meaningful in his life wasn’t a top priority of the pursuit of 2A rights, which we all thought he was about, but was about money and lifestyle. The only manual I’m aware of with SOCOM information is the Lyman 50th Edition. He, to my knowledge, never even post an occasional review or made an appearance in the comments section. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - 458 Socom Loads for deer/hog hunt. It’s extra strong — including its unique buffer tube — for smashing sh*t and pre-chewing MRE crackers and such. Then, I chose the most adjustable gas block available, the Superlative Arms Bleed Off. The bullet hit the hog about four inches below the spine, but the force unleashed by the .458 SOCOM was enough to sever that spine. That was his top priority. Consistent hunting pressure works. That’s right, the Mogadishu we know from news reports and the movie “Blackhawk Down”. To increase the flexibility of the new cartridge, however, the decision was made to increase the bullet diameter to be able to employ heavier projectiles. To offer the greatest flexibility to the user, the decision was made to design the new cartridge in .458 caliber. Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *. First up in that realm is one hell of a feral hog hunting combo: Atibal’s new APEX 4-14x scope and Ignite clip-on thermal. It has been over a year since I wrote about a gun I personally own (and told you that I’d feature more of them), so I’m way overdue in presenting The Pig Truth to y’all. An enlarged ejection port provides clearance for exfil of those fat, .458 SOCOM cases. Hit up the AR-15 barrel builder page and stand in awe of the depth and breadth of customization options. What do you do for a living? The initial design called for a .499 diameter bullet and a 40mm long case! The case is a pistol case operating at relatively low pressure, and thus imparting less stress on rifle parts. Lone boar killed out in a farmers corn field with the 458 Socom. The only direction I had given was to use the TTAG logos to good effect. Kill as many, as often, as many ways as possible. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. 6.5 Grendel and 458 Socom both in the AR15 platform. Jealous as a MF. Links may expire, require subscription or go behind pay walls.Please send news and knowledge you think would be useful to al.cross@uky.edu.Follow us on Twitter @RuralJournalism HP and Spitzers, 405 gr. Powerful enough for big game, but at ranges limited to about 150 yards. It’s short and light (without the NV attached), something that has become very important to me as I get older. Additionally, being in the gun industry since 1974 has allowed me to use just about every hog weapon available. Pigs are fairly intelligent and highly mobile. For those who want to hunt big game, destroy cars or houses, or do close range sniping with an AR platform firearm, the 458 SOCOM has no equal. It absolutely makes positioning your gas block a simple and accurate science. The folks at L-W revealed that Starline would be supplying the brass for their cartridge, so…. In fact, as I haven’t yet put the rail to use I haven’t even installed all of the bolts anyway. J36 offered a better BC, but was far too long to leave enough powder capacity and still function through the AR magazine. As I was only a week away from moving to Texas during SHOT 2017 and I was already enamored with the .458 S, seeing and holding this suppressor sparked the idea and I started building out The Pig Truth in my head. What was originally made to be the ultimate man stopping round may also be the ultimate hog/elk/bear or whatever else stopping round for the AR-15 platform. AR15.COM is the world’s largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. Not bad. Running a 16-inch or longer barrel was never considered. At the moment I have loaded ammo here from SBR Ammunition, Underwood, and Black Butterfly to put through its paces. Counting from the muzzle end, this means I can’t use the third and fourth bolts that affix the rail to the tube. Find your best price for 458 SOCOM Ammo | Bulk 458 SOCOM Ammunition - AmmoSeek.com Search Engine 2020 Or use the contact form. I’ve been hunting hogs since the early 1980s and it has become a passion. On the smaller end, both the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel both dramatically increase the power available to the AR platform while satisfying the minimum game-hunting caliber in most counties of .243” (these are both .277”). Impressive to say the least. Notify me via e-mail if anyone answers my comment. Enter the ULTIMATE HOG WEAPON, in my opinion. bullets at subsonic velocities, and the Barnes .458 x 1.5” briefly saw service in Vietnam in the Special Operations community. The two main proprietors of L-W soon had a “falling out” and purportedly went their separate ways. I personally do not like the plastic magazines though. The cartridge name, .458 SOCOM, is based on the caliber (obviously) and on the fact that the initial impetus came from those “Beer and BBQ” discussions with our friends in special operations. This decision was strengthened after a literature search revealed two similar designs, the .458 Whisper and the .458 x 1.5”. It is making my AR builds have penis envy thanks for sharing your build. So I hit up X-Caliber Barrels. Selling the website. Based on Tony’s initial response (“HOLY SH@%”), it appeared the SOCOM would do what we wanted it to do – hurl big chunks of metal at substantial velocity from unaltered AR-15 lowers and magazines – in full auto if so desired. What I’ve found so far, though, is in-line with testing done by others: when suppressed, bleeding off unneeded gas and pressure to atmosphere provides less through-the-action blowback and lower at-ear sound levels. Another shot of that burly ACE M4 Socom stock. It … Copyright © 2020 SHWAT™ | All Right Reserved. With the Hogs its more about shot placement than anything else. A good barrel needs a good bolt. This discussion (which took place over beer and grilled top sirloin) focused on the possibility of developing a new cartridge capable of providing superior stopping power for AR-15/M-16 based weapon systems. Initial loads and the overall case were designed around the Barnes 300 gr. Both had been designed to fire the heavy (500 – 600 gr.) FN, up to 500 gr. On a side note, the also made a .50 375 grain xpb spire point but the recoil difference was just too much. Trijicon After that experience, I figured I might just need a .458 SOCOM, but I didn’t prioritize it. It’s a beautifully-machined piece with flawless fit and finish. Then go look for some hogs. Your email address will not be published. One that tames the bark of .458 SOCOM so incredibly well. Caliber of Firearm: .458 SOCOM Comments: I was born to be wild - - at least until 9:00 PM. Very very nice. Item 47B Is the first 458 SOCOM load we are releasing for sale and is designed for the medium-sized game. If you aren’t familiar with X-Caliber, then this is the most important part of this article. After shooting a couple of custom-built bolt action rifles that were good for quarter-minute groups and finding out that the companies started with blanks or chambered blanks from X-Caliber, I knew what they were capable of. Also critical for bolt life in a gun like this is a properly-tuned gas system. One downside: venting more gas through the carrier ups the noise. He recommended against this design, and we went back to the drawing board. The only downside I’ve encountered with this handguard setup is that, thanks mostly to the large diameter of my barrel and the slightly-taller-than-extra-low-profile gas block height, there wasn’t quite enough room inside to properly clear the gas block. I think it’s a great bipod for an on-the-move hunting rifle. I have constantly tried to gain knowledge and improve my hunting skills. The 6.8 SPC and 7.62x40WT are noticeably better and normally kill very well if Barnes X bullets are used; however they still fail to stop big hogs in a hurry if the spine isn’t hit. A click-adjustable set screw — with the detent external to the gas block so it doesn’t get carbon locked and burned up! We scaled it back a bit, as you can see. Discussions with Tony Rumore revealed that the .50AE and its wide rim posed an issue in that quite a bit of material had to be removed from the bolt lugs to make it work. For me, it was a perfect outside match. We happened upon the Tromix Sledgehammers in .50 AE and .440 Corbon. Lots of features for the price. I ended up cutting a relief notch in the top of the handguard with the aforementioned Dremel. However, it didn’t gain broad acceptance as a military round. There are several calibers for the AR-15 that are spot on for Boar Hunting. SUPPRESSED.458 SOCOM HOG HUNT & GEL TEST SUPERSONIC/SUBSONIC Todd Huey from Lone Star Boars uses the .458 SOCOM for the first time on a thermal hog hunt. There you have it. M4 and Mk18), the angle of attack of the bullet could dramatically affect the performance. So far my .458 SOCOM’s have accounted for over 100 hogs. Terrill H. State of Residence: NC It seems to work. I’ve not had the opportunity to pound pigs with that, but I can only imagine it will be fantastic! So pony up for the big gun if you’re ready. Jeremy S. That is one hell of a rig. I recently got heavy back in to hog hunting again, I have been so passionate about my deer hunting and gotten so consumed with managing my deer and plots year round I truly forgot how much fun it is .. This rotates and sucks the rifle into my body without stabbing me with the sling hardware. Use a larger caliber, such as .338 Federal, .308 or .358 Winchester, or .458 SOCOM. If not better delete that photo fast, before they find out they’ll need to recall every one made to install a bigger mag follower, like Hexmag faced, oh, what… must be a month or two ago? I’ll use it for a couple months but it has to go back. Port pop is increased and dB at the shooter’s ear increases. You have a rifle setup there that cost more than my car. Shot was quartering away at 125yds while moving, hit the sow in the hip and the bullet proceeded to turn and run through what seemed like all the digestive track and vitals bullet was found in the sternum. We asked Starline Brass for what was thought to be the impossible: A pre-production run of .50AE brass, but unformed, untrimmed AND with the rim rebated to 0.473”. Also made a.50 375 grain xpb spire point but the recoil difference was just too much work. Cerakoting service if desired AR-15 magazine completely seemed the choice or not diameter... The case is a tale for those who wish to believe evenings a now. 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